Comments on: 24-Apr-2005 http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/ Some of me, some of my words… Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:44:15 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: CityBytes http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/comment-page-1/#comment-165 CityBytes Sat, 30 Apr 2005 02:22:00 +0000 http://zainab.zaiki.in//2005/04/24/#comment-165 Hi Rahul, <BR/> Thanks for continuing the discussion. I was discussing the issue of the yellow dividers on the footpaths (dunno whether dividers is the right word to use) with an architect friend yesterday. What we believe is that the dividers have been installed out of reaction rather than taking into consideration the real issues and what could be the probable design and built environment solutions. <BR/> I don't know if you are pedestrian at all at any points in time, but the way in which the dividers are, it gives you a constricted feeling. It changes the experience of space. Surely, we have to have negotiations (not really in terms of numbers), but through notions of citizenship, movement, space, design, problems and solutions. <BR/> Cheers, <BR/> Zainab Hi Rahul,
Thanks for continuing the discussion. I was discussing the issue of the yellow dividers on the footpaths (dunno whether dividers is the right word to use) with an architect friend yesterday. What we believe is that the dividers have been installed out of reaction rather than taking into consideration the real issues and what could be the probable design and built environment solutions.
I don’t know if you are pedestrian at all at any points in time, but the way in which the dividers are, it gives you a constricted feeling. It changes the experience of space. Surely, we have to have negotiations (not really in terms of numbers), but through notions of citizenship, movement, space, design, problems and solutions.
Cheers,
Zainab

]]> By: rabhatia http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/comment-page-1/#comment-164 rabhatia Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:02:00 +0000 http://zainab.zaiki.in//2005/04/24/#comment-164 The dividers are not plesant to look at. They are yellow and do not fit in with their surroundings. But I do know that the traffic flow on Churchgate Street has been more regular since they were erected. I would imagine there are now fewer accidents as well. Can there be negotiations? No, because it would involve too many people (basically pedestrians); people who have been given the opportunity to use their own judgement while crossing roads. But pedestrians do not realise they are putting many more lives at risk when they cross at the wrong location. <BR/> <BR/> Can we keep the fencing along the lines of what is there in world class cities? Probably not - but I'm no authority, just a driver. And why do people need to be on the roads? Give them pavements and ask them to stay off the roads. <BR/> <BR/> Regards, <BR/> Rahul <BR/> ps. Amit Varma, a friend and I were in town yesterday evening and I mentioned that if we took a walk along Marine Drive, we'd probably see a woman with a writing pad observing people. Take care. The dividers are not plesant to look at. They are yellow and do not fit in with their surroundings. But I do know that the traffic flow on Churchgate Street has been more regular since they were erected. I would imagine there are now fewer accidents as well. Can there be negotiations? No, because it would involve too many people (basically pedestrians); people who have been given the opportunity to use their own judgement while crossing roads. But pedestrians do not realise they are putting many more lives at risk when they cross at the wrong location.

Can we keep the fencing along the lines of what is there in world class cities? Probably not – but I’m no authority, just a driver. And why do people need to be on the roads? Give them pavements and ask them to stay off the roads.

Regards,
Rahul
ps. Amit Varma, a friend and I were in town yesterday evening and I mentioned that if we took a walk along Marine Drive, we’d probably see a woman with a writing pad observing people. Take care.

]]> By: CityBytes http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/comment-page-1/#comment-163 CityBytes Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:45:00 +0000 http://zainab.zaiki.in//2005/04/24/#comment-163 <P> The question is really what kind of appearace do the various dividers give to the city? A friend of mine called this 'tyranny of the vehicle!' Also, it gives the city a fenced appearance. And I do agree there is lots of dadagiri from the pedestrians. Are there negotiations that can take place? Is this fencing done in keeping with the paradigm of world class cities? Are we preventing people from walking on the road? What implications does this have on the overall safety of streets? </P> <P> Need to check out Jane Jacobs for myself! </P> <P> Thanks </P> <P> Zainab </P> The question is really what kind of appearace do the various dividers give to the city? A friend of mine called this ‘tyranny of the vehicle!’ Also, it gives the city a fenced appearance. And I do agree there is lots of dadagiri from the pedestrians. Are there negotiations that can take place? Is this fencing done in keeping with the paradigm of world class cities? Are we preventing people from walking on the road? What implications does this have on the overall safety of streets?

Need to check out Jane Jacobs for myself!

Thanks

Zainab

]]> By: rabhatia http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/comment-page-1/#comment-162 rabhatia Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:45:00 +0000 http://zainab.zaiki.in//2005/04/24/#comment-162 Though I don't agree with the reason why the dividers are there, as a driver, I'm relieved that the dividers exist. While driving, you're negotiating with rickshaws, motor bikes and careless and rash drivers. The last thing you need to deal with are pedestrians spilling on to the roads. If zones for pedestrians and cars can be demarcated, and then enforced, that would be ideal. I agree the existing arrangement is not safe for women. <BR/> <BR/> Regards, <BR/> Rahul Bhatia Though I don’t agree with the reason why the dividers are there, as a driver, I’m relieved that the dividers exist. While driving, you’re negotiating with rickshaws, motor bikes and careless and rash drivers. The last thing you need to deal with are pedestrians spilling on to the roads. If zones for pedestrians and cars can be demarcated, and then enforced, that would be ideal. I agree the existing arrangement is not safe for women.

Regards,
Rahul Bhatia

]]> By: ipatrix http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/comment-page-1/#comment-161 ipatrix Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:08:00 +0000 http://zainab.zaiki.in//2005/04/24/#comment-161 I read somewhere that a city even removed the raised pavement kerb, keeping merely white markings to differentiate pedestrian and car zones. Now, that requires traffic discipline and a healthy respect for your fellow beings...a quality not yet seen on Indian city roads. <BR/> <BR/> Patrix I read somewhere that a city even removed the raised pavement kerb, keeping merely white markings to differentiate pedestrian and car zones. Now, that requires traffic discipline and a healthy respect for your fellow beings…a quality not yet seen on Indian city roads.

Patrix

]]> By: luciifer http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/comment-page-1/#comment-160 luciifer Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:06:00 +0000 http://zainab.zaiki.in//2005/04/24/#comment-160 take care zainab <BR/> peace take care zainab
peace

]]> By: luciifer http://zainab.freecrow.org/2005/04/121/comment-page-1/#comment-159 luciifer Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:04:00 +0000 http://zainab.zaiki.in//2005/04/24/#comment-159 hahaa:)sometimes i think u think to hard about whats happning around u. hahaa:)sometimes i think u think to hard about whats happning around u.

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